Tuesday, May 31, 2011

Patriotism Versus Gonadism

Sarah Palin demonstrating proper hand position during the National Anthem on Memorial Day.

Obama demonstrating disgraceful hand position during the National Anthem.  On one of at least two occasions, suggesting that it's a deliberate snub to America.

Obama doing it AGAIN.  What, do his balls hurt when someone sings the National Anthem?  Or is he just showing that he's anti-American?


TexasFred said...

Barack Hussein Obama - The most disgusting POS in America today...

The *crotch cover* is a disgusting display of disrespect for EVERYTHING the USA stands for...

∞ ≠ ø said...

His posture represents a stark symbolic reminder to America that, according to his own values, he is a waste of sperm.

His posture, when unguarded, reflects deep self loathing and manifests hatred for this country, resentment for those who would have valued his life had he been born unto them, and a very real sense of inadequacy.

He is a living facade. His oath, invalid before it could be heard. A fleshy hedge for the ever growing fascist elements of the left to hide behind. Expendable, he bides his time knowing so. Seething, longing for validation, this is a most dangerous man. Nihilism incarnate.

balbulican said...

I am so glad I don't live in the US. Although America's national psychosis is clearly extending its tendrils northward, comments like the above speak to a level of incoherent and childish rage that is literally unimaginable in Canadian political discourse.

Canadian Sentinel said...

Geez, Balbsy, what's your problem? Hate America?

Consilium - Aarluk - Stonecircle said...
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balbulican said...

Nope...and stop relying on these cretinous clichés, please. Grownups can disagree with each other without claiming the folks who disagree with them "hate". That's what five year olds do.

I suspect I've lived longer, worked longer, and spent more time in the US than you. I recorded my first two albums of music there, spent every summer of my life there until I was twenty, and continue to visit at least once a year.

What I dislike is the astonishing level of rage that permeates American political "discourse".

∞ ≠ ø said...

Here's some "unimaginable...Canadian political discourse."


















P.S. edited others with the 'c' word and foul religious connotations.

I'm so glad I don't live in Canada... blah blah blah astonishing rage... blah blah
See, THAT'S childish.

Oh, your résumé is showing again, and still nobody cares.

Balbulican said...

I read the first link. It was about Stephen Harper making a mistake about Newfoundland's entry into Confederation, and calling him a "prick".

If that's your lead, I didn't see any need to read the rest. I guess you figure a string of really weak points adds up to a strong one?

We don't kill our heads of state, use cross hairs on maps to target our political "enemies", spin elaborate fantasies about ineligibility of our Prime Ministers, bleat interminably about our "right" to conceal weapons and bleeding on the tree of liberty or whatever, or confuse the Fathers of Confederation with the twelve apostles and our Constitution with Holy Writ. That's all pretty American stuff.

Squiggles, you're moderately ignorant about Canada - probably less so thanks to our tutelage than many of your compatriots. Let me recommend for your edification Jonathan Kay's most recent, "Among the Truthers", about conspiracy theorists of the left and right.

Kay is a fairly Conservative writer. His book is interesting for a few reasons, but it's particularly interesting on the subject of why Americans are so prone to them, whereas Canadians are relatively immune. Quite funny.

∞ ≠ ø said...

“….I guess you figure a string of really weak points adds up to a strong one?....”
Yes, I simply demonstrate a litany of astonishing rage permeates Canadian political “discourse.”
I didn’t weigh or arrange them… In fact I edited out the worst (Gabby and Jen in mind).

“….We don't kill our heads of state, use cross hairs on maps to target our political "enemies"……”

Two Canadian websites: (targeting etc.)


Per capita, America enjoys 6% LESS political assassination than Canada.

Have you forgotten FLQ so quickly?
Remember these people: Thomas D'Arcy McGee, George Brown, Pierre Laporte,Claude Brunelle, Atilla Altikat, Tara Singh Hayer.
Fortunately PROFUNC worked or there would be more.
Let’s see; remember André Dallaire?
Here’s a fun list:
Nur Chowdhury, Manickavasagam Suresh, and then there is Mansour Ahani and Mourad Ikhlef… or there was.
And then there’s the G20 Summit. That was pretty…. pretty costly to keep Toronto from burning.

“… bleat interminably about our "right" to conceal weapons…”
Well, it’s our right to bear arms. Concealment requires a permit.
I've heard a lot of Canadian bleating over ‘long gun’ registry.

Here’s a nice list: The Liberty Tree, our forefathers, the apostles, the U.S. Constitution,… That’s all pretty conservative stuff. I’m thinking you find Americans to be conservative compared to Canadians?
…. But… Canada has a CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY GOVERNMENT. Hmmmmm. Pesky tendrils.

As to Kay’s book, I’m glad to look at a few reviews and perhaps read it. For me, US Senate resolution 511 sews it. Article II section I… as Obama understands it…. precludes him from the presidency. He knowingly took the oath. It is null and void. He knew he did not qualify; probably in more than one way.

balbulican said...

I'm trying to pick out the actual points you're making from the chaff, so forgive the brevity - there's not much.

"Per capita, America enjoys 6% LESS political assassination than Canada."

That's an amazing and, if you'll forgive me, utterly unbelievable assertion. But I look forward to your evidence. Source, please?

"I’m thinking you find Americans to be conservative compared to Canadians?"

A bit, yes. Our official opposition is now an actual Socialist party; it's difficult to see that happening in the US (once one puts aside all the drivel about Obama's "communism", and so on). If Stephen Harper were to run for office in the US, he would likely run as a centrist Republican, but could well run as a centrist Democrat.

Really, my point was not that Americans are more "conservative" - it was that the extremes of American dialogue are shriller, more hysterical, and abusive, on the both the left and the right.


Let me help you. Using our host's political taxonomy, sixty percent of Canadians divided their vote among four "leftist" parties; forty percent voted for the single "right wing" party. Clearer?

As for the birther drivel - I'm assuming you're one of the folks who knows better but likes to keep this silliness alive for whatever diminishing political returns it still yields. But I'm pretty sure I did see Elvis buying a coffee at the Newport Cafe a couple of years back.

balbulican said...

Here's the link to the Kay book.


Don't miss the tsunami of outraged conspiracy theorists in the comments, all of whom are shrieking: "Yeah, those Birthers / Truthers / Islamophobes /Bilderbergers / Vaccineophobes / Holocaust Deniers are crazy - BUT NOT US!!"

∞ ≠ ø said...

R.E. "Per capita, America enjoys 6% LESS political assassination than Canada."

3 United States 311,493,000 June 6, 2011
36 Canada 34,475,000 June 6, 2011

Assassinations in Canada
Thomas D'Arcy McGee, (1868), Canadian father of Confederation.
Pierre Laporte, (1970), Quebec Minister of Labour, assassinated by FLQ.

Assassinations in the United States
Henry Heusken, (1861), American diplomat (accompanying Townsend Harris from Amsterdam).
Abraham Lincoln, (1865), President of the United States.
Thomas Hindman, (1868), Confederate General.
Crazy Horse, (1877), Oglala Sioux chief killed by American troops.
James Garfield, (1881), President of the United States.
William McKinley, (1901), President of the United States.
Anton Cermak, (1933), mayor of Chicago.
Huey P. Long, (1935), Louisiana senator and former governor.
John F. Kennedy, (1963), President of the United States.
Lee Harvey Oswald, (1963), alleged assassin of John F. Kennedy.
Medgar Evers, (1963), U.S. civil rights activist.
Malcolm X, (1965), (El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz, born Malcolm Little), leader.
Robert F. Kennedy, (1968), Presidential candidate.
Martin Luther King Jr, (1968), U.S. civil rights activist.
Harvey Milk, (1978), gay rights campaigner and city supervisor of San Francisco, California.
George Moscone, (1978), Mayor of San Francisco killed along with Milk.
John Lennon, (1980), singer and former Beatle.

Generally I don’t feel Lennon belongs on this list. I also think George Brown should be included.
Regardless, I set my opinion aside and went with the list as it stood.
U.S. 17
Canada 2
Over time, populations change of course. For example in 1900 the U.S. population was 14x that of Canada’s. (1950: 11x; today: 9x.)
Using today’s populations and not injecting opinion on the finer merits of this list both lower Canada’s per capita rate generously.
Flat math:
311,481,000 / 17 = 18,322,412
34,475,000 / 2 = 17,237,500
17,237,500 x 100 / 18,322,412 = 94.079%
Per capita, America enjoys 6% LESS political assassination than Canada.

Balbulican said...


Thanks for demonstrating the rigour and intellectual analysis that goes into the maintenance of a worldview as - ummm - SPECIAL as the perspective this blog has come to exemplify for its many amused left wing fans, for whom it represents a kind of intellectual flea circus cum freak show.

I do commend you on your imagination, if not your scholarship. Regrettably, you managed to omit America's inclusion of assassination in its arsenal of foreign policy strategies vis a vis folks like Castro, Diem, Lumumba and Trujillo. You also omitted the political murder of folks killed by "right to lifers" as a political statement, and so on.

But hey...you really are illuminating.

∞ ≠ ø said...

As for Kay’s book
“Sonny Bunch of The Wall Street Journal …and a reviewer for the The Economist both faulted Kay for giving inadequate attention or explanation to the Birther movement.”
so… no sale.
It’s a real conspiracy

balbulican said...

I forgot. You can look at a kid brandishing banner and see a potential murderer.

What a very...SINGULAR perspective you folks share.

∞ ≠ ø said...

This was all put to bed years ago.

Castro is alive and these other bastards were all murdered by their own. The CIA involvement was a pretty big deal, agreed, but the Church report pretty much shows the U.S. as provocateurs but not the assassins.


Well have it your way. I've got a 9 to one kill ratio for per capita parity based on today's populations.
I want George Brown, Claude Brunelle, Atilla Altikat, and Tara Singh Hayer included then; and Lennon out. You come up with 38 bona fide political assassinations in addition to the list of 16 you have... and then we'll talk. Have fun.

balbulican said...

"It’s a real conspiracy."

Oh, absolutely. They all are.

By the way, did you read that Birther Daddy Corsi (Scenty's favourite "news" source) lied about Trump's view on the Birth Certificate, and is now claiming that Trump was secretly conspiring with Obama all along?

I LOVE you guys. Seriously. You crack me up.

balbulican said...

"Well have it your way."

You mean - "reality"? No problem. I do.

∞ ≠ ø said...

..... CARE - TO - PLAY - A - GAME .....

Per capita, America has 50% LESS hate crime than Canada.

balbulican said...

"CARE - TO - PLAY - A - GAME\?"

Absolutely. But let's do it like grownups do.

a) Let's establish a mutually agreed upon definition of the term "hate crime. Since you've introduced this amusing diversion, I'll assume you're sitting on a compilation of stats you want to deploy. But in actual evaluation, of course, one establishes one's criteria before assembling the data. So please...define 'hate crime'.

b) Define standards of evidence. Your very amusing and very silly prior example appeared to be drawn from someone's Wiki list or something. Not good enough.

Define your terms - then let's play.

∞ ≠ ø said...


“In 2009, Canadian police services reported 1,473 hate crimes, an increase of 42% from the previous year. These types of incidents accounted for less than 1% of all crimes known to police and represented a rate of 5 incidents per 100,000 population.”

Canada Population 2009 33,720,200

Total Incidents 6,604

U.S. Population 2009 307,006,550

Canada Population 2009 33,720,200

Flat math:
Canada: 33,720,200 / 1473 = 22,892
U.S. 307,006,550 / 6,604 = 46,488
22,892 x 100 / 46,488 = 49.24%
Per capita, America has 50% LESS hate crime than Canada.


My intent here is not to run Canada down, far from it. But what is imperative for Canadians to understand is the extreme difference between over thirty million people and over 300 million.

All of us are affected by media exposure. I hope I have offered some perspective.

Oh… and as for Canadian conspiracies… Take this!!!!

balbulican said...

Sorry, squiggles. Your numbers are meaningless, unless, as I specified, you:
a) define "hate crime", and
b) define an evidentiary standard for your stats.

You know that, of course. But thanks for the superb demonstration of your contempt for both the readers of Sentinel's blog, and for genuine debate. No surprise, of course, but the confirmation is most welcome.

balbulican said...

"But what is imperative for Canadians to understand is the extreme difference between over thirty million people and over 300 million."

My dear fellow, I assure you we are quite aware of it. We live with it. That disparity pretty much defines our economic and much of our cultural environment.

Anonymous said...

You know, it suddenly occurred to me that in laughing my ass off at the absurdity of Sentinel's post, I hadn't actually challenged it.

Scenty, in that third shot - turns out that Obama wasn't saluting because the band was playing "Hail to the Chief".


You really need to start fact-checking, guy.

Anonymous said...

HAHAHAHA OMG URBANLEGENDS??? Really is that what you are going to fire back with?? Wow..you two are a trip...no facts to rebuttle back with...just bs sites..haha. Oh this is good!! Thanks for the laugh Anon.

Canadian Sentinel said...

Urban Legends is just a funny site for fun. Hardly a reliable source of cold hard fact.

Balbulican said...

Did you follow the link to the video clip, Sentinel?

Buddy, when you're wrong, learn to admit it.

balbulican said...

Pay particular attention to that last piece of advice AFTER marriage, by the way.

Between Sentinel's apparently deliberate mis-characterization of this photo and squiggles' not-very-crafty mock-analysis, this has been a most illuminating thread. I've frequently noted that ideologues and propagandists don't actually care what's true.

∞ ≠ ø said...

"But thanks for the superb demonstration of your contempt for both the readers of Sentinel's blog, and for genuine debate."

Don't be an ass.
Of course I had the data. A comprehensive and comparable set from the Uniform Crime Reporting Programs of both countries. Just saving time, yours and mine. If you see disparity in the hate crime definitions, reporting criteria etc. by all means. It's your turn.
The contempt for the readers and the blog is clearly yours.

"That disparity pretty much defines our economic and much of our cultural environment."

Sorry you feel that way.

As to the C-Span video; that was illuminating.

What is so convincing, upon review,
is Jack Metzler with his hand over his heart. One doesn't do that during "Hail To The Chief" or at any time other than the Anthem. I don't see this as a "deliberate mischaracterization" and nor should you.

Metzler is under a lot of pressure.
He is the Superintendent of Arlington National Cemetery. It's a mess. Bodies in the wrong holes. Up to a 4 month wait for an interment and ceremony. The queue is in various places and in various states of preservation. He probably covers his heart when the leaves rustle.

balbulican said...

No definition? No evidentiary standard? No problem. And of course, no surprise.

And thanks again for being such a stunning example. :)

balbulican said...

Actually, I shouldn't be snotty. You may simply not understand that without matching datasets and selection criteria, the kind of comparison you're suggesting is meaningless. Is that the problem? Do you need a quick workshop in basic statistical analysis? I can help with some useful and very basic links if that's where you're getting confused.

∞ ≠ ø said...

"the extremes of American dialogue are shriller, more hysterical, and abusive..."

"You may simply not understand that without matching datasets and selection criteria, the kind of comparison you're suggesting is meaningless."

Silly babulican, making my points for me. ;)

balbulican said...

Ah. So you truly DON'T understand. I apologize for all the teasing - I sincerely didn't know that. And don't be embarrassed - lots of people don't.

I'll try to explain.

When comparing social indicators like "crime" or "health" in different countries, squiggles, it's very important to make sure that you are comparing the same indicators. For example, a country may claim to have a healthier population because its inhabitants live longer, or because its infant mortality rate is lower, or because it offers health care to a wider range of its citizens. If we were to compare the relative "health" of Americans and Canadians, you see, we would have to agree on which of those indicators we were going to measure.

Similarly, in order to compare the volume per capita of "hate crime" in two different countries, you would have to ensure that you are defining the words hate crimes" in exactly the same way for both countries. Is that clear so far? Do you see why I was asking you what definition you wanted to use?

Because, you see, different countries define and record "hate crimes" in very different ways. In Canada, they're defined under the 718.2 of the CANADIAN criminal code, which is the document we use as the basis of our criminal justice system.

In your country, they're defined under different laws - both a federal statute and various state laws. So you see, squiggles, your comparison simply doesn't work.

But let me apologize again for having been so dismissive earlier. I can understand your confusion about the concept of "comparable" (as you characterized the Canadian and American datasets). I hope this was helpful. Remembers, there is no shame in not understanding - only in refusing to understand.

∞ ≠ ø said...

Nice effort. Next time just put C-4, D-1.

balbulican said...

Well, let's see if we can figure out where you're getting stuck.

Let's start with your most obvious error.

You seem to be under the impression that the term "hate crime" is defined exactly the same way in Canada and the US. Is that what you think? Just let me know, and I can expand on the differences. If that's not where you're getting stuck, I'll try something else.

∞ ≠ ø said...

I beg to differ. You are stuck.
You suggested that there is a stark contrast in the nature of political discourse between the U.S. and Canada.

I crushed you with irrefutable evidence that, in fact, Canadian political discourse is also permeated with astonishing levels of rage.
Then I turned your argument back on you with a baited ad hoc comparison of my own. You bit, I win there by virtue of population leverage. It would take you a considerable amount of time and research to bring me back to the table on that one.
Looking for you to refute your earlier assertion, I do it again.
You bit again; and in the process make beautiful assertions about the importance of proper comparative statistics. Now you've shot your own original premise down. What fun! Can it get any better?

At this point I will repeat myself: If you see disparity in the hate crime definitions, reporting criteria etc. by all means. It's your turn.

I have selected the two most current, robust, and thoroughly defined data sets available on the subject.

Hugs and kisses!

Canadian Sentinel said...

You know, Balbulican is a master of cunninglinguistic gobbleddygook, much like the also-Svengallian Noam Chomsky.

He hates to concede defeat as much as he apparently hates America.

Poor old moonbat, eh... All that money, all those acquaintances... and still he's apparently unhappy... so much so that he has to cut others down for being right when he's wrong...

∞ ≠ ø said...

Mmmmm this is good. Please pass the salt when you're through. I think I'll use a little more. It cuts through the snide quite nicely.

Ahh look. The balbster is bringing our whine.

balbulican said...

I'll accept your concession, Squiggles, although fleeing the argument while proclaiming victory is a bit jejune. Reminds a bit of your other persona.

∞ ≠ ø said...

Oh mirth! TTFN

balbulican said...

Scenty, Squiggles playing the ignorant may have confused you a bit. In discussing data sets, do you understand the difference between "robust" and "comparable"?

balbulican said...

"he apparently hates America."

This is a lie, and I would appreciate it if you'd stop saying it. Thanks.